Electrical – Common base circuit with zero supply voltage

bjtcommon-basesaturation

Consider a bipolar junction transistor (either PNP or NPN). Which output would produce this circuit for various input (\$= V_{\mathrm{BE}}\$) voltages?
common base, zero voltage supply for the load circuit
It is common base, but without a voltage supply for the collector.

The resistor is assumed to have resistance on the order of \$V_{\mathrm{BE}}/I_{\mathrm E}\$ with \$V_{\mathrm{BE}}\$ typical for this base–emitter junction when forward biased.

Of course, Ī̲’m aware it’s no amplifier. The question arose from conditions considered in Why does the collector current direction remain the same in saturation and active region? and Transistor working with unusual biasing threads, but particular formulation of the questions hinders learning these specific things. Namely, Ī̲ seek arguments against the “two diodes model” as an universal answer for any question about BJT saturation.

Best Answer

Here is your circuit redrawn more conventionally:-

schematic

simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab

The Collector can pull current through R1 to the Emitter and Vin-, so the output voltage will (almost) equal the input voltage.

And now the same circuit, but with two diodes instead of a transistor:-

schematic

simulate this circuit

There is no way for the "collector" to pull down, so the output will remain at 0V.

Conclusion: the 'two diodes model' does not represent a BJT in saturation.