I'm using a ATX power supply as a unit for my project. The power supply is of the type "be-quiet" straight-power E8 480W with cable management. I cannot figure out how much current can I get from the 12V P8 connector, which has 4 12V poles and 4 ground poles. My need is 20A in total for the 4 couple. I read that this kind of ATX power supply has 4 12V rails, each one can give up to 18A. How are these rails physically placed and distributed among the different connectors?
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So far the three answers are: Yes, No, and Maybe. I feel like I need to chime in here and give a more pragmatic answer. But before I do that, let me give you my credentials so you know who this is coming from.
I design PCB's for a living. Large and complex PCB's. Recently I have designed a custom motherboard based on an Intel CPU as well as several PCI Express boards. One of those PCI Express boards is powered by a supply that is separate from the ATX supply that powers the motherboard. These are embedded systems, which means that I can get away with things that you couldn't in a standard PC.
On to my answer:
Don't do it! If you value your sanity, don't bother trying. It might work, but probably not. The problem is, if it doesn't work then what are you going to do? Do you have the tools and knowledge to debug it? I'm guessing that you do not have a PCI Bus Analyzer or a copy of the PCI Express specification so the answer to that would be no.
Some of the things that might not work correctly:
Some PCIe cards might connect the +12v from the MoBo to the +12v from the PCIe Power connector. This is fine if both come from the same power supply, but not if there is a second supply. In my opinion, this is a bad design but that doesn't matter. You should check the card before trying anything.
There are tight specs for the time from when the power supply comes up until the PCIe card has to respond to PCIe activity from the motherboard. If the two power supplies take different amounts of time to come up then this spec could be violated.
Feeding a PCIe card with 100-200 watts of power is still non-trivial. The supplies themselves are expensive, too. It turns out that the cheapest power supplies available for this are ATX supplies!
There could be some power sequencing issues, where certain PCIe signals come up before the receiver is ready. Although unlikely, this could result in a damaged motherboard and/or PCIe card. If something is damaged, it is likely due to a bad design-- but bad design are out there.
In my opinion, you will be time, headache, and possibly money ahead to replace your current PC and simply get a new one that can handle the PCIe card you want to use. Otherwise, you would likely spend a lot of money on a new PCIe card and a power supply to power it only to end up with something that doesn't actually work. Or worse, you might damage your current PC.
You should rely on the specifications of your PSU.
The ATX standard has several versions. The power allocation between 3.3 V, 5 V and 12 V rails are very different between older and newer ATX PSU designs.
The original ATX (1995)
The power distribution specification defined that most of the PSU's power should be provided on 5 V and 3.3 V rails, because most of the electronic components (CPU, RAM, chipset, PCI, AGP and ISA cards) used 5 V or 3.3 V for power supply. The 12 V rail was only used by fans and motors of peripheral devices (HDD, FDD, CD-ROM, etc.)
In ATX12V 2.0:
Most power is now provided on 12 V rails. The standard specifies that two independent 12 V rails (12 V2 for the 4 pin connector and 12 V1 for everything else) with independent overcurrent protection are needed to meet the power requirements safely (some very high power PSUs have more than two rails, recommendations for such large PSUs are not given by the standard).
The power on 3.3 V and 5 V rails was significantly reduced.
Update:
In "ATX12V Power Supply Design Guide, v2.31"(It's published in 2008, a little old, but you may take it as a reference), it gives the power distribution of 3.3V/5V and 12V rails from 180W to 450W, and their related max. current limit. In page 69, it gives: for a ATX 450W PSU, the typical 5V+3.3V power < 120W, and 5V rail has a max. curren 15A. .
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According to the EPS12V standard section 6.1.2 Processor Power Connector, the requirement is that the connector uses two different power rails (12 V1 for pins 5 and 6 and 12 V2 for pins 7 and 8) if the 240 VA limiting is in place. So if nothing else is connected to those two power rails, you should b able to pull 20 A through the connector if it's divided correctly among the two "rails".