What I am asking is if it is possible to transmit a frequency modulated wave in AM range(550-1650 Khz) and similarly to transmit an Amplitude modulated wave in FM band (88-108 Mhz). I would like to know about the technical aspects of the problem like what problems we may face if try to do so.
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Your perfectly single-sideband suppressed-carrier modulated sinusoid certainly has a phase which can be measured. However, what you cannot tell is what the contributions of that measured phase from the audio input and the RF oscillator were.
There is another form of single-sideband modulation, in which not only one sideband but also the carrier component is transmitted. This provides a reference which can be used to synchronize the receive LO to the transmit one - normally done to insure exact tuning, but it would also give you the ability to recover the original audio phase.
It is also quite possible, especially with modern DSP gear, to transmit two separate audio channels, one on each side band. This is commonly called independent sideband modulation (ISB).
Many spread spectrum implementations are DSP based and capable of receiving multiple channels at once - GPS being a good example.
Desired result 1st
Full enough details to build one of a 160 Mbps at 1 metre free air LED to PIN diode link here
Free Space Optical Communication Link Using LEDs
ECE 4007 Senior Design Project Section L01, FSO Group
Adam Swett Clayton Huff Trang Thai Nguyen Trinh
May 1, 2008
Receiver:
Transmit circuit BUT see text:
Through air optical communications handbook. Cited above.
Annoying format.
Here
I originally said:
- Using a non-phosphor LED I'd expect 10's to 100' of Mbps to be possible, with the received being the main limiting factor, followed by the difficulty in cleanly modulating the LED at such speeds.
It turns out this is about right :-).
Real world reports indicate rates of 100 Mbps are achievable with White phosphor LEDS using relative simple methods - mainly filtering and equalisation, for a gain of about 25x over the "out of the box" rate of around 4 Mbps for a white phosphor LED. So - real world free air transmit:
White Phosphor LED as supplied - about 4 Mbps
White Phosphor LED with not too hard magic - 100 Mbps
LEDs driven with NRZ DC - 200 Mbps
LEDs with negative low NRZ to sweep out charge - 300 Mbps
LEDs theoretical pushing limits of "laws of physics" - 1 - 2 Gbps
Receivers
Sufficient unto the morrow is the evil thereof.
PIN diode receiver.
Read the application notes.
Play.
Superb discussion of powering issues for IR comms in low power / battery equipment. Appears superb at a quick skim. They say
- The use of infrared (IR) light as a means of wireless communication between computers, computer peripherals, digital cameras, and other consumer products has gained wide acceptance in recent years. This is primarily due to the low cost of implementing IR solutions in contrast to radio-based implementations. The increasing pressure to produce low-power, high-speed consumer products in this arena, however, makes the implementation of IR transceivers, which is an integrated transmitter and receiver, more challenging. This article will address some of the key technical issues that need to be considered when designing IR transceivers.
A theoretical starting point:
Extremely comprehensive notes on optical semiconductor souces - see page 35 of 67 for LED modulation bandwidth. More theoretical than you were wanting BUT "sets the stage" for other material.
Real world achievements:
From Mark Rages Ronja reference
It says:
- This page deals with long-distance atmospheric (through-the-air) optical ("lightbeam") communications of various types using coherent and noncoherent light sources, methods of mitigating atmospheric effects on such communications, as well as various technologies involved in transmitting and receiving such communications. The majority of the content on these pages is produced by self-funded hobbyists that have taken on the challenge of furthering the state of the art in this somewhat arcane field.)
More on same same people
They say:
Ronja is a free technology project for reliable optical data links with a current range of 1.4km and a communication speed of 10Mbps full duplex.
Applications of this wireless networking device include backbone of free, public, and community networks, individual and corporate Internet connectivity, and also home and building security. High reliability and availability linking is possible in combination with WiFi devices. The Twibright Ronja datalink can network neighbouring houses with cross-street ethernet access, solve the last mile problem for ISP’s, or provide a link layer for fast neighbourhood mesh networks.
How to modulate a white phosphor LED at about 25 x it's unmodified bandwidth.
Well worth a look: This August 2009 "letter" shows how fast you can push a slow white LED !!!.
They use a white LED with phosphor response in the few MHz range, filter out the slow yellow component and equalise, to get 50 MHz modulation bandwidth, which allows on/off NRZ at 100 Mb/s.
They note that the achieved 50 Mb/s is 25x the unequalised unfiltered bandwidth.
I'd wonder, why not use a blue LED without phosphor?
Some practical limits and an easy means of extending them:
This abstract notes that InGaAsP LEDS are good for 300 Mbps at full power if you talk to them nicely (reverse bias off pulsing to sweep charge out faster) and 200 Mbps if you drive with non reverse bias.
They say:
The application of reverse bias pulses at on-off transitions increased the maximum bit rate of full power operation of long wavelength InGaAsP LED's from 200 to 300 Mbits/s by reduction of the stored charge fall time.
Although designed primarily for nonreturn to zero (NRZ) DS-4 experiments, the circuitry operates from 50 to 300 Mbits/s for the return to zero (RZ) or NRZ format with fixed or pseudo-random word patterns.
Another way of arriving at max modulation rate
Here is a useful but compact answer to "How fast is an LED" and it is worth noting that they say 'about 2 GHz modulation bandwidth or about 1 Gb/s' compared to the 300 Mb/s above. Note that for engineering purposes 300 ~~~= 1000 :-)
Some sligtly suspect real world claims:
Raw rates believable.
Rain affected rates seem "rather good".
Here is a "through air claim of 400 Mbps over several kilometres using LEDs:
MegaMantis
- LED based,
400 Mbps in free air,
several km range,
moderately rain immune,
Walker.
I'd take anything technical that these people said (company now defunct I think) but Power Beat claimed 400 Mbps open spave transmission over several kilometres using LEDs (not LASERS).
Gargoyle for MegaMantis (the optical link) and Powerbeat (the company) and Peter Witihera (the CEO and main ideas man) to see what you can make of the claims.
2007 discussion with broken links
Probably the best technical comment you are going to get
“With one LED today it is possible to get up to 400 Mbps in modulated speed,” Witehira says.
And Witehira says his company’s system isn’t affected by rain, and can be adjusted for fog.
“You can overcome that by having a combination of two different wavelengths at the extremes you can get with light — far infrared and near ultraviolet, which is a deep blue. If you have both of those running at once, you don’t have a problem with fog. You may still have a problem with whiteout,” he said.
Getting around corners, Witehira said, is just a matter of bouncing light off glass or by making a network of lights. And the line-of-sight possibilities are growing: Eighteen months ago the company’s technology could send data just 3 meters; now it can span 4 kilometers. The maximum line of sight at the moment is probably 11 kilometers, the company reckons.
But, caution Will Robinson ...
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AM now supports Quadrature Stereo AM but still fits within 10Khz channel spacing with some guardband.
FM cannot fit into the AM band , wwhile AM is even used in the ISM band at 928MHz with 6kHz channel spacing, so there is no reason why AM cannot be used at any frequency.
FM has higher SNR and signal bandwidth that prevents application in the lower AM bands.
However one can use AM or FM for cable communication at any frequency. Can you see how to fit the above baseband FM signal in the 10KHz channel spacing of the AM band? If you do it's worth a ton of money.