# Electronic – Convention regarding BJT collector current calculations

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Using the equation Ic=Is*e^(Vbe/Vt) yields impossible values for me. I am using Vbe = .7v & Vt = .025 A. Is in circuit is 3.4mA. I am trying to determine Ic as an initial value for analyzing the rest of the circuit, as the rest of the values are unknown. I assume I am missing a convention associated with the magnitude of Vt or Vbe. Is this the case?

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You have stated Is = 3.4mA. I notice that if the transistor is saturated, then 24v is dropped across R1+R2, and the current is 3.4mA.

Although Is is called the 'saturation current', it does not mean 'the current that flows in a circuit when the transistor is saturated'. It is a property of the transistor, and usually has a value down in the pA or fA. It's the current drawn by a diode junction when it's reverse biassed.

Attempting to use the wrong value of Is for the wrong purpose will not help you understand a transistor circuit.

In the absence of any other data (you have told us everything that's relevant, haven't you?), you have to make some judicious assumptions, and in this order.

There is an emitter resistor R2. So the application is likely to be a linear circuit, not a saturating switch, which would have the emitter tied directly to ground.

So as it's a linear circuit, you'd expect the collector voltage to be 'sensible', biassed to about half the available voltage swing. If we ignore the base current (a reasonable assumption), then the R1 voltage drop will be 2.5x the R2 drop. Arrange for 12v across these two resistors, and 12v across the transistor. That's about 3v on R2, for a current of 1.5mA. That current will drop about 7.5v across R1.

As there's 3v on the emitter, you'll want 3.7v on the base. Any voltage close to this will result in a 'reasonable' bias point.