Electronic – Current flow with two voltage sources

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Consider this schematic:

Schematic with two voltage sources

Light 1 has 1.5V across it while Light 2 has 3V across it.

I was explaining to a friend how the points (indicated by Loop 1 and Loop 2) could both be used as a reference point. For example from the "point of view" of Light 1, "Loop 1" could be called ground.

What confused me was when he asked whether electrons (current) can travel both directions at the same time through Light 1.

Normally current flows through Light 1 in a clockwise direction, from V1, returning to V1.

The question he posed is, would any current flow (opposite the current from V1) from V2 through Light 1 and Light 2, back to V2?

I admit, I am stumped.

Edit:

I realize this is a totally basic DC question. If V1 were to become an open, then V2 would have to supply power to both Light 1 and Light 2 in series. (Pretending for the moment that these lights would simply be more dim.)

Given that current from V2 travels through both lights in this series circuit (with V1 open), how is it that the presence of V1 causes current flow from V2 through Light 1 to cease?

If I tried to answer this myself:

Adding the potential difference of V1 makes the node of Light 1 furthest from V2 more positive than the near node, so current will only flow past the point marked "Loop 1" in a clockwise direction. Without V1, the far node has less potential than the near node, so current flows in series.

Best Answer

What confused me was when he asked whether electrons (current) can travel both directions at the same time through Light 1.

Well, the answer is yes, and no. Electrons can, and do, travel through Light 1, and in fact all metals, in both directions, all the time. Unless you can manage to cool a piece of metal to absolute zero, then the electrons are wandering around in random directions all the time, much like individual water molecules are wandering about in an otherwise stagnant glass of water.

But, when we talk about electrical current, we are talking about the net flow of electrons. If we say there is a current in some direction, what me mean is than on average, electrical charge (electrons being but one type of such) is flowing on average in that direction.

There may indeed be forces acting on some component that individually try to move current in opposing directions, but what's important is the net force and the resulting net current, much like two teams pulling on a rope in tug-of-war, or two sumo wrestlers pushing against each other. The net force is what determines the motion.

If V1 were to become an open, then V2 would have to supply power to both Light 1 and Light 2 in series. (Pretending for the moment that these lights would simply be more dim.)

Given that current from V2 travels through both lights in this series circuit (with V1 open), how is it that the presence of V1 causes current flow from V2 through Light 1 to cease?

It doesn't. The current in each light doesn't "belong" to either V1 or V2. Who knows, or cares, where each charge carrier came from? Consider what I just described about the electrons wandering around from thermal noise. Also, consider that their movement due to electrical current is relatively slow, and you will see that this is an irrelevant question to ask.

Here's another way to think of it. An open circuit, by definition, allows no current. It's an infinite impedance. A voltage source, on the other hand, passes whatever current is necessary to maintain its voltage. If something else wants to push more current through it, and that won't change the output voltage, it won't resist at all. Thus, it's a zero impedance. V1 does as much to impede the current in V2 as a short circuit would do. But it also must exert some force on the charge in the circuit to supply additional current so that it can create an additional 1.5V of difference across Light 1 and Light 2.

That is, V2 has to push all of the current for Light 2, but it only has to push it over half the electric potential difference (voltage), because V1 is pushing it the other half of the way, in addition to pushing the current needed to power Light 1.

Further reading: Thévenin's theorem, especially the part about "Replace voltage sources with short circuits", and Kirchoff's circuit laws.

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