Electronic – How to cure SMPS output to get upset by a switching device

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I have been having ringing spike issues at the output of SMPS power supplies. I don't know what is this phenomenon is about but it is definitely related to switching devices on the same electrical network. When a switch or switching device is on the same electrical network. The switching device upsets the SMPS output. This is directly related to my previous question. Bu that time I didn't figure out the issue starts with SMPS output getting upset.

To demonstrate that I used a grinder as shown below:

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And next to the grinder from the same power strip a 5V SMPS is powered.

Here is the output of the 5V power supply and the spikes "during" the short time the grinder is swithcing ON:

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And here looks like high frequency ringing when AC coupled:

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The problem is this power supply noise propagates through all sensitive devices it powers.

Does anybody have experience with such phenomenon? I even tried with EMI power line filter and isolation transformer but it didn't help. I guess SMPS already have filters at their input. Is there a way to filter out this at the power supply output? Would that issue happen with a linear supply?

Best Answer

SMPS as a unit has high bandwidth therefore any not filtered high frequency signal at its input will appear at its output. DC-DC linear chips are also have the same frequency response and any high frequency signal at their input could be appeared at their output. just in case that you are using isolated transformer with iron core for an AC-DC convertor you have an intrinsically filter for some high frequency signals.

If you cascade proper Common Mode Filter at the DC/AC input and then proper low pass differential mode filter at the SMPS input, you could be sure about bypassing the injected noise at the input of SMPS from its output. Remember for measurement such phenomena it is recommended to use probes in their X10 mode and do not use their attached long 3-4 inch Ground cable. you have to use the very short ground clips that is companion with probe's purchased package.

Ringing is also companion with an SMPS that is not implemented with good PCB. Please look at the related TI document (SLPA005). In addition to conducted emission the Grinder has strong radiated emission too. using proper casing and filter (Common mode) at the input and output of the SMPS could be helpful. Please look at the following links: https://www.giee.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ferrite_bead_181_hex_open_and_closed.jpg

https://www.radiodan.com/Henry/parts/RF_chokes.htm

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