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For our warehouse, we need to build a range finder for monitoring purposes. We have the following constraints:
We would be glad if you could tell us about the theoretical feasibility of such a range finder. If it is not possible than is there a work around ?
Also could you tell us how much is it going to cost ?
Thank you so much !
While @JimDearden's answer provides a suitable approach for operating the two infrared LEDs in parallel as desired, my answer addresses the specific question asked, to resolve some possible misunderstandings that may have motivated the question:
The classic 7400 series TTL logic gates have recommended operating conditions of merely 16 to 22 mA per output (current sink) depending on manufacturer. See the 7408 AND gate for instance. In other words,
Note that some variants of the classic 74 series logic parts can both sink and source current, and there are even some that can deliver outputs in the ampere range. For instance, the 74595 shift register has an equivalent, the TPIC6595, which sinks 1.5 Amperes pulsed current per pin.
So, in short, the 7408 AND gate is neither a viable nor a justifiable approach to solving the problem.
This is all speculation because I am not familiar with the device in question, and I am actually not an electronic engineer either. But it does not seem too difficult in principle.
To detect 1.5 ms pulses, practically any photodiode will do that can detect red light with reasonable efficiency. The bandwidth only needs to be 10 kHz or so. You can even use a phototransistor for a larger signal level without having to use a separate amplifier. (Although, I would not suggest using a photoresistor. They are more expensive than photodiodes and phototransistors, and have poor sensitivity and response time.) Detecting the pulse train does not need to be spatially resolved--either it is detected and the target is hit somewhere (which will prompt a position readout), or it is not and there was no shot or a miss. The spatial resolution can be accomplished separately if necessary.
You can do this in two ways, as I see it. Either you can construct the target so that its sections lead to a signal on a corresponding photodiode, or you can use a camera.
You could have the front part be a plastic molding with annular light guides for each of the concentric rings. A hit anywhere on the ring would then propagate through the light guide and be detectable by a suitably placed photodiode or phototransistor. If a hit falls across two different rings, the relative intensity falling on each ring can be used to give a more precise location estimate. In this case, because the light is confined to the light guide, one would have to make arrangements for all guides to also be connected to the pulse detection circuit. Of course it is possible to do the pulse detection separately on each ring, but duplicating this function does not seem to be necessary to the design.
Another approach is to use a camera to locate the shot after having detected it in another fashion. You do not need to have a high-frame-rate camera to accomplish this, because the frame rate does not define the shortest event you can detect, but rather the shortest time that you can measure between any two successive events. I sometimes use an ordinary CCTV camera to observe (infrared, thus invisible) laser radiation when I align pulsed lasers. These pulses are not milliseconds, but nanoseconds in duration. There is no problem detecting them provided that they fall within the frame integration time of the camera.
However, (most) cameras do not integrate continuously. Rather they integrate for a fixed period, and then read out, during which they are not capable of detecting anything. In order to avoid the small chance of missing a shot due to it falling within the readout period, it would be advisable to have two separate cameras, where the integration time of one would overlap the readout time of the other. With this method you could also accomplish a limited form of pulse detection, because the spot would be visible in two successive frames (one from each camera) and then be absent. (Or maybe one or the other camera would miss it, and it would only appear in one frame. Either way, it can still be identified as a pulse.)
Any cameras with frame rate sufficient for your required response time would be suitable. A typical board camera with an M12 lens would probably be quite appropriate. The M12 lens may be preferable over a fully integrated lens for its larger aperture, and thus higher light-gathering ability (hence sensitivity). These are inexpensive and small enough that there is no obvious problem with mounting two of them side by side in the enclosure. The frame rate used in practice should be such that each frame fully contains one shot, but not so long that it would lead to a slow response. So, a frame duration of about 50-100 ms seems reasonable. Having captured the image, one must of course be able to process it to give a position readout. I expect this will be the limiting factor for the response time, but practically speaking, if the readout is given in under a second, it does not strike me as being a problem. You can give feedback (e.g. by making the target flash or sounding a buzzer) as soon as the pulse is detected but before the position is determined, if you prefer an immediate response.
My suspicion is that the deeper (25 cm) target uses a camera, simply because of the practicalities of observing the full target using a camera mounted very close to it. One would need a very short focal length (fish eye) lens to do so, which is either expensive, or introduces a lot of distortion, or possibly both. The thinner (5 cm) target probably does not use a camera, but something more similar to the ring light guide arrangement.
Finally, even though it is not difficult in principle, do not underestimate how long it will take you to make this. I suppose it will be at least some tens of hours unless you are exceptionally well equipped to begin with. At some point, it will be more economical to simply buy the target rather than making it yourself. This fact, and the rather specialized nature of the product and resulting limited size of the market, probably accounts for the high cost of the commercial targets in relation to their likely materials costs.
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You can buy one from any sporting goods store that will work up to 500 yards. So in theory and practice they are very feasable. One issue that the commercial models have is that they do have a MINIMUM distance. The one I have gas a min of 17 yards.