Electronic – standard/foolproof way to tell what input or output impedance is

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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm in multiple electronics courses and I can't seem to understand input vs output impedance no matter who I ask.

I can always find the impedance between two points, if I am given the two points and I know all resistor/capacitor/inductor etc. values between those points along all possible paths between them. But when I'm asked to find input or output impedance of an entire circuit, I have no idea what those two points are. My professor seems to automatically understand which two points happen to correspond to input or output impedance in a given example, but to me, it seems completely arbitrary.

I understand that power supplies and loads have effective impedances, but often when I look at a circuit, I have no idea where the power supply ends and the load begins, or whether it's even relevant to think in terms of power supplies and loads… to me it's just a bunch of components jumbled together.

Here's some examples of worked homework problems (solutions in red):

worked homework example with solution in red

Why is it that the input impedance of the circuit in part "a" is 10k? Obviously there's a 10k resistor on the op amp input, which seems extremely simple, but it's also extremely vague. Why don't I need to worry about the 500k resistor? Why should I care that the input has a 10k resistor when the signal also runs into a 500k resistor and an op amp with an enormous resistance?

Then in part "c" we add another op amp to greatly increase the input resistance. Now all of a sudden we do care about the large op amp resistance, just because we put one op amp in front of another.

It really seems to be that simple, but I feel like I'm just saying "I'll just throw a 10k resistor in front of this circuit and voila, there's you 10k input resistance, have a nice day." If it's really that simple, I at least want to know why it's a helpful idea.

Could someone please break down this concept and really explain it to me like I have never seen electricity in my life. For some reason it's so obvious to others, that they do a terrible job of understanding just how confused I am, and their explanation won't help.

Best Answer

pjc50 summed up the solution in comments.

Input impedance is defined as the impedance you would see no matter what the input voltage/current. With the fact that ideal op-amp analysis pins both inputs of the op-amp to the same voltage, and one of the inputs pinned to ground, the other terminal can be treated as a virtual ground. Now you have an infinite current source/sink at that virtual ground. That means if you create a test input voltage on the input side of the circuit, all it will see is 10k to "ground". 1V/10k=100uAmps. Input impedance is the test voltage divided by the resulting current so 1V/100uAmps = 10k. So that's how they're coming up with 10k as an input impedance.

If you wanted to determine the output impedance, you could look at the tail end and try and inject a 1V supply at the output side of the op-amp. The output of an op-amp can source or sink infinite current (pseudo-ground) so you basically have a connection from the output wire directly to ground. A wire directly to ground is 0 ohms so the output impedance in this case is 0 (or very low).

From what I can tell, your confusion comes then from not understanding how an ideal op-amp works. The input side of an op-amp tries to pin its two inputs to the same voltage and the output can source/sink infinite current to create the desired voltage.