So I learnt about phasors and phasor representation this week in college. I noticed that in every example problem that we did, one phasor was chosen as reference and the angle was taken as 0°. My question is :if we take that the reference not as 0°, but something else, would it be wrong? Why is the reference always 0.
Electrical – Reference phasor(or quantity)
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I give up. I can't solve the problem given, I think more information is needed beyond what is in the problem statement, and I wouldn't be saying that if I had not hacked away at it and wound up at this point. To begin with, the problem is as follows.
We have voltage generator \$E=2\sqrt{7} \mbox{ } V\$ with angular frequency \$\omega=10^6 \mbox{ } s^{-1}\$ and internal resistance \$R_g=0.5\sqrt{3} \mbox{ } k\Omega\$ connected to parallel connection of impedance \$Z\$ and coil \$L\$. Current is \$I=I_1=I_2=4 \mbox{ } mA\$. Calculate complex value of \$\underline{Z}\$ and inductivity of \$L\$.
My claim is that this is unsolvable. I owe a little explanation for for my claim before I change the problem and solve something different. Basically, the fact that \$\underline{Z}\$ and \$L\$ are unknown gives 3 unknowns. Combined with the power factor of the circuit, this gives 4 real unknowns. You can do mesh analysis or node analysis and find that you will have 2 complex equations, minus one reference. You're one short.
Here is what I would add:
Assume that the magnitude of \$I_1\$ and \$I_2\$ are equal.
The only way I know to do this is to use the answer given in the problem, so now that I have that out of the way I'll hack away at this. I'll introduce only \$Z_{e}\$, which is the combined impedance of the 2 parallel components. I might also forget some of the vector bars, forgive me please. Start at the voltage source and note the following, using the general \$|V|=|I| |Z|\$ property.
$$|E| = |I| |Z_g+Z_e|$$
$$|Z_g+Z_e| = \frac{ |E| }{|I|} = 500 \sqrt{7}$$
Now I'll define my reference and follow through the voltage a bit. The notation I use is \$U_1\$ for that obvious voltage point after the resistor. I'm using \$-\psi\$ for the current angle because I already know it's a net inductive circuit, which is just from knowledge of the solution.
$$ E = 2 \sqrt{7} \angle 0 $$ $$ I = \frac{1}{250} \angle -\psi$$ $$ U_1 = E - R I = 2 \sqrt{7} - 2 \sqrt{3} \angle -\psi$$
I need to write the equation for the equivalent inductance.
$$ Z_e = \frac{1}{ \frac{1}{Z} + \frac{1}{j \omega L} } $$
Anyway, I'll just skip some steps and write the values. I hope to come back and put more in later. Sorry about the lack of actual circuit analysis in this answer.
$$ \psi = arctan( \frac{1}{3 \sqrt{3} } )$$ $$ Z = 250 \angle -\frac{\pi}{3} $$ $$ Z_e = 250 \angle \frac{\pi}{3} $$ $$ I_1 = \frac{1}{250} \angle arctan( \frac{2}{\sqrt{3}} )$$ $$ I_1 = \frac{1}{250} \angle -arctan( \frac{5 \sqrt{7}}{\sqrt{21}} )$$
It's already redundant to say this, but these numbers give the \$Z=250(\sqrt{3}-j)\$ and \$L=0.5 mH\$. It would also work to say that Z is a resistor of \$250 \sqrt{3} \Omega \$ in series with a \$ 4 nF\$ capacitor.
I think this was a bad question, and I hope I've given enough breadcrumbs of a consistent answer for your to prove this to someone else. Maybe I'm wrong, but if my current analysis is right, I would hate to have for anyone to be given this on a test.
The sign of the angle changed because it went from denominator to the numerator. That's what taking the inverse of the imaginary unit does.
You can see that more clearly if you just invert the complex number from your first equation:
If Vs=10 as you say, then that derivation is incorrect between the 2nd and 3rd line though, becuase the 2nd line does not equal the 3rd, instead you get 9.956 as the radius/magnitude:
So I suspect Vs is actually \$\frac{10}{\sqrt{2}}\$ or there was some mistake (either on his part in deriving/explaining or when you transcribed it).
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Because it makes the maths easier.
For voltage measurements we choose some part of the circuit as reference and call it zero. All voltage measurements can be taken with reference to that point.
In the same way a surveyor takes some height reference and all subsequent height measurements are + or - relative to that point. Sea-level is an obvious choice but might not make much sense for a building at 3,000 m above sea level where a local reference can be chosen.
For your phasors you take one as the reference and everything else leads or lags that.
You can, of course, use a non-zero reference if it suits. This might be the case if, for example, the system is referenced to another (such as the mains) by a fixed offset. It may suit to do all the calculations relative to the mains even though it's not relevant to the immediate calculation.