Electronic – Can transformerless power supplies be UL/CSA certified and is there any specific standard they must meet

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I am trying to bias a linear optocoupler on the AC mains side of a circuit, in order to transfer analog information to the secondary side of the circuit. I have designed the following capacitive power supply to provide the 6mA required and it works.

schematic diagram

However, the reviewer at the certification lab is indicating that the voltage specifications for the capacitors after the bridge rectifier must be rated for line voltage (~400V). I am skeptical of this, because this would make the capacitors massive to meet the capacitance needs and transformerless power supplies are typically smaller units limited by the size of the X capacitor used to provide the reactance. It also doesn't make sense, because the zener would burn out long before the capacitors could fail.

Even this application note suggests that the capacitors only need to be 2x the zener voltage:

Microchip Application Note AN954 – Transformerless Power Supplies: Resistive and Capacitive

Does anyone know the specification that would govern this or have appropriate experience in getting a power supply like this certified, to let me know what to look for? Can these power supplies be certified or are they an internet relic?

Thanks.

Best Answer

Actually, isolation is not a must for UL certification. So yes, a transformerless regulator can be certified. You can find a lot of non-isolated UL-listed products on the market.

Probably the reviewer has no knowledge about capacitive power supplies but anyways it seems that s/he treats C2 as a "Safety-Critical Component" due to its position (i.e. mains side - after the bridge rectifier). S/he may also suggest you to use even an X/Y cap there.

In one (or some) of the EN-.... standards (I cannot really remember, sorry) safety-critical components should be defined as:

  • Input connectors
  • Fuses & fuse holders
  • Filtering components (capacitors, chokes etc)
  • Varistors

etc.

From my point of view, the safety-critical components are R1, R2 and C1 (and a varistor, if any) in your circuit even if it has a zener at its output.

I think it's hard to find a standard document (because nearly all of them are protected against public access) but you can persuade the reviewer about the voltage rating about C2 by showing some measurements, test results, technical documents etc.