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Is it possible to replace a battery for headphones? I would like to replace a 052030 li po battery with a Nokia BL-5C Lithium Ion battery. The li po battery is rated at 130 mAh with 3.7v. The Lithium Ion battery, on the other hand, is 1 Ah with 3.7v.
Thank you for your help.
Assessing full charge is the easy part.
Method (a) A fully charged Lithium Ion single cell battery will have an open circuit voltage of about 4.2 Volt*. (4.1 to 4.2 OK. 4.0 not quite there. 4.3 - a bit high.) Some cameras use two cells - double the expected voltages. Laptops and other larger devices use 3 or more cells. The voltage should be a multiple of the above voltage. [*There are variants that allow higher voltages. Unless you are CERTAIN that this includes your one, assume that it doesn't. Getting it wrong can be 'upsetting'.
(ie N x (4.1 to 4.2V))
Method (b) Use a good quality charger (eg one supplied by camera manufacturer or one of known quality) which has a "charging light.
Place "charged battery on charger". Depending on how long since it was last charged the charge light should either flash or perhaps remain on for a minute or two and then go off.
Remove battery from charger. Wait 10 seconds. Place battery back on charger. Charge light should flash very briefly and go out.
Assessing capacity is harder, but not hard.
(a) you can get some indication, for nominally equal batteries, from the weight. A significant part of the weight in a LiIon battery is actively involved components whether electrically or mechanically (separators, conductors, electrolyte & (of course) Lithium metal. Two batteries of the same nominal capacity should have similar weights. I'd guesstimate that a 10% difference may be due to happenstance and construction, but beyond that I'd be suspicious. In larger & heavier batteries this test will work better than for very small batteries.
For interest, for AA NimH cells this is an excellent indicator. Modern high capacity AA's which claim 2500 mAh + capacity should be in the high twenty gram range - say 26 grams plus with some just over 30 grams. Anything under 20 grams is a complete dud and anything 25 grams or below is suspect.
(b) For any sort of accuracy you need to discharge the battery to an "end point" and measure capacity. No other method reasonably available to you is available. There are other methods such as measuring the change in voltage over a given time under a given load and trying to assess where you are on the discharge curve. This is difficult to get right and needs experience and a degree of luck. Measuring discharge time is "easier".
Best is a constant current load, which can be made very easily with eg an LM317 and one resistor, but I'll assume for now that you don't want to do that. Ask if interested.
A discharge resistor that takes at least one hour to discharge should be used. You could use a motor or lamp or camera or ... but a resistor has some advantages.
R minimum ~= (Cells_in_battery x 4000) / mAh
eg if you have a 1 cell battery (Voc=~4.2V) of 1500 mAh capacity then
Use the next largest resistor than the value calculated.
Up to Several times larger is OK BUT it will take proportionally longer.
Resistor power rating: Resistor power = V^2/R = (4 x number of cells)/R
eg for the above single cell and 3 ohm resistor the minimum wattage rating is
Use a 2 Watt or greater resistor.
Method:
I'll describe this briefly as I don't know your experience level. This may be easy to follow or hard. If hard, ask more questions.
Battery with accessible terminals.
Below: Harder to access terminals. Two dress making pins or two wires can work here BUT DO NOT SHORT TOGETHER !!! IF YOU ARE NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THIS DON'T DO IT.
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Below: Typical lithium Ion 1 cell 'battery' discharge curve.
Best method is to do this with genuine and clone batteries and compare times.
Use a camera. Set to video or timed photos. Note start and end frame times. Compare.
Major advantages are
"set and forget
no playing with battery connections
self timing.
I've just been asked offlist by somebody about the LM317 circuit I mentioned for constant current discharge. Here is an example. I copied this from the very useful and relevant webpage on LED driving - here and they in turn copied it from an LM317 data sheet.
The off list query said
A 1700 mAh battery would be discharged in 3 hours by 1700/3 =~ 570 mA and in 4 hours by 1700/4 ~= 425 mA. So using about 500 mA and seeing how long it takes will give a measure of battery capacity.
The current of the3 load in the circuit above is
Iout = Vref/R1 so
R1 = Vref/Iout
For an LM317 Vref = 1.25V so for 500 mA
R1 = V/I = 1.25V / 0.5A = 2.5 Ohm.
Power in R1 = I^2 R = 0.5^2 x 2.5 or about 0.7 Watt.
A 1 Watt resistor would probably survive this - a 2 Watt or 5 Watt would be better.
The LM317 will dissipate V_LM317 x I = (Vbattery - Vref) x I = (4.2-1.25) x 0.5 =~ 1.5 Watt. So a heatsink or piece of Aluminum or other thermally conductive material on the LM317 will be "a good idea". I use 4.2 V for the battery voltage. It will drop as the battery discharges.
Note that in many cases a 1700 mAh LiIon battery can be safely discharged at up to 1C rate - = 1700 mA in this case. Safer is C/2 = 850 mA. Actual max allowed rate should be set by the manufacturer. Use Imax = C/2 if no data available. This will usually be safe but "caveat emptor" / "YMMV" ... . If using a higher rate the power dissipation in the resistor and LM317 will be higher and changes will be needed. Some LM317 will handle 1A max. Some will handle 1.5A. (Some smaller pkgs < 1A) . See data sheet. The LM350 is a big brother version of the LM317 that works at several amps.
The battery endpoint voltage should be the endpoint Voltage that you will use in your system. As per my comments above, this MUST NOT BE below 3.0V to prevent battery damage, and higher is safer. You need either to keep a close eye on this if stopping discharge manually OR set up an automatic cutoff system. How you do this and how you time the discharge period is up to you.
Added 2023 (from old comment of mine):
Some batteries have internal electronics that talk to the camera and report capacity. The capacity claim may be accurate OR the battery may be fully charged BUT the clone battery may not have emulated the original protocol accurately enough.
An often reasonably continuous load on a camera battery is to put it into USB mode. I have several cameras which do not shut down if there is no activity in this mode but simply drain the battery. This has the advantage of not over-discharging the battery.
You still need to manually time it.
From the color code of the wires it's obvious that you have 3x B- and 3x B+ on the sides. The schematic in the datasheet suggests that the two wires in the middle are P- and NTC, for temperature sensing.
I don't speak any Chinese, so you can only trust my statement that much.
Regarding replacement batteries, if your system has only two wires, it's more or less safe to take a battery with extra connections (like temperature sensors) and simply ignore them. However, if your system expects a battery with temperature sensing, connecting a battery with only two wires is not recommended, and may be impossible: many systems won't charge a battery if they don't get a reasonable signal on the sensing inputs.
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Many links in Google say that a 052030 battery is a Li-PO, not a Ni-MH type. A li-Po is almost the same as a Lithium-Ion type but the huge battery will take a very long time to charge.