Electronic – Why does a Schmitt trigger work in saturation region

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Given this circuit

schematic

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I am trying to prove that the opamp works in saturation region as instructed in the first answer to this question : How are positive and negative feedback of opamps so different? How to analyse a circuit where both are present?

So, we have

$$
V^- = V_{in}
$$
$$
V^+ = \dfrac{R_1}{R_1+R_2}V_{out}
$$
$$
V_{out} = A_v(V^+ − V^-)
$$
$$
V_{out} = A_v(\dfrac{R_1}{R_1+R_2} V_{out} − V_{in})
$$
$$
\lim_{A_v\to\infty}\frac{V_{out}}{V_{in}} = \lim_{A_v\to\infty}\dfrac{Av}{Av \frac{R_1}{R_1+R_2} – 1}
$$
$$
\lim_{A_v\to\infty}\frac{V_{out}}{V_{in}} = 1 + \frac{R_2}{R_1}
$$
\$\frac{Vout}{Vin}\$ is finite, even though the feedback is positive! Why is the circuit working in saturation region instead of the linear one?

Am I missing something here?!!

Best Answer

When you solve positive feedback circuits like this, you need some initial values.

We can say that \$V_{sat+}\$ as the upper limit to what the opamp can drive to and \$V_{sat-}\$ as the lower limit.

If we make an initial assumption that \$V_{out} = V_{sat+}\$ then you will get $$ V_+ = V_{sat+}\dfrac {R_1}{R_1+R_2} $$ $$ V_{out} = A_v(\dfrac{R_1}{R_1+R_2} V_{sat+} − V_{in})$$

When \$V_{in} < \dfrac{R_1}{R_1+R_2} V_{sat+}\$ the output will be \$V_{sat+}\$ When \$V_{in} > \dfrac{R_1}{R_1+R_2} V_{sat+}\$ the output will be \$V_{sat-}\$

You would do the exact same procedure with an initial assumption that \$V_{out} = V_{sat-}\$ to see when you would see a transition going in the opposite direction.

Check out page 7 of Opamp circuits - Comparitors and Positive Feedback