Electronic – Unexpected plots for active low pass filter response in LTspice

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I was trying to compare the differences between passive and active filters and below is for almost same cut off and by using an ideal opamp:

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Above was something I expected.

But then I used a real opamp LM324 and obtain the following outputs:

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And for the same circuit if I switch to an opamp called LMC6482 I obtain the following output:

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Why with real opamps there is such loss in voltage values or power at very very low freq. unlike in ideal case? Is that something related that Im using single supply? Does the vertical axis show peak-to-peak voltages or amplitudes in LTspice? And why two real opamps give totally different loss?

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The opmap is clipping yes, but why is the amplitude is 0.6V at 0.2Hz in Bode plot which is 1V in transient analysis. And for LMC6482 the amplitude is 0.1V at 0.2Hz in Bode plot which is 1V in transient analysis. There must be a meaning behind these numbers (?) in Bode plots

Best Answer

In the first circuit the active Low Pass filter is a 2nd order filter while the passive Low Pass filter is a 1st order filter so I totally expect the curves to be different and they are what they should be.

In the second circuit you're expecting the impossible from that poor LM324 opamp. You give it a single (positive only) supply yet the circuit expects it to be able to output negative voltages as well. That's not going to happen unless you supply the LM324 with a symmetric power supply so for example +5 V and - 5 V.

In your circuit the LM324 cannot amplify properly and that's what we see in the plot as well.

So connect the negative supply rail of the LM324 not to ground but to a -12 V (for example) supply. You have to add another voltage source for that!