Electronic – Why do baseband processors remain on, and communicating with the tower, when the phone is shut down

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I've believed this since 1994 – that if you really want to turn off a cell phone, you need to take the battery out.

But why? What is a good technical reason to keep spending battery charge and occupying tower bandwidth despite the user having shut down?

Please, if you could refer to sources, alongside your provided reasons, I would love it very much!

Clarifications: I am aware of locking your screen, which (depending on your settings) can make the screen turn off. My question is clearly about shut down.
Not locking screen, not screen locking itself after a minute due to inactivity… I am talking about pressing the power button and choosing "shut down" (Nokia) or "Power Off" (Android)

It's very hard to find discussion about this topic because of millions of people raising all sorts of power issues on their phones but I really don't know of anyone who doesn't believe the baseband processor remains on even when you shutdown the device, including experts in the field.

For example, here's a guy who appears to know a thing or two about Android phones (look at the most popular answer to the question):
https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/215736/what-is-the-fastest-way-to-shutdown-unrooted-android-phone

Another example: https://www.zdnet.com/article/fbi-taps-cell-phone-mic-as-eavesdropping-tool/
"Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery"
…Again, I know these aren't design documents by Qualcomm but people seem to be adamant that it's a thing!
Would be lovely if they cited their sources 😀

Best Answer

that if you really want to turn off a cell phone, you need to take the battery out

No, that's not true, all the phones I know can be fully switched off, usually by holding down the power button. You're confusing switching the phone off with the standby mode of the phone where it looks like it is off (display off, no lights flashing) but it can still receive a call. In this state the battery should not be drained that much so the phone can stay for months or more in this state.

For receiving a call the "cellular communication part" (that includes the baseband processor) of the phone needs to be activated on a regular basis to check if someone is trying to call you. In this state the battery will be drained such that the phone can stay in this state for a few days or more (simple "dumb phones"can last for weeks) in this state.

All phones are shipped in the "power off" state and that makes sense as otherwise the customer would receive a phone with a drained battery. That's bad for the battery! Also: a new phone does not contain a SIM card so it cannot even fully connect to a network so there's no point to have the baseband processor activated.

TLDR: you're confusing "power off" with "standby" which are different things. So the batteries do not need to be removed. Switching the power off (you might need to hold a button or use a menu) will stop all communication.