Electronic – Understanding the summing-point constraint

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I can't find any source online which explains this in a different way from the others. I'd like to think I'm not just being slow, but it seems that I might be just that, regarding the op-amplifier.

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So the summing-point constraint claims that \$x\rightarrow 0\$, if we assume the op-amplifier to be ideal. To me, this makes no sense when you consider the characteristics of an ideal op-amplifier.

Suppose that, due to \$V_{in}\$, a positive voltage \$V_{DIFF}\$ appears at the inverting input. Then a large negative output voltage result at the output.

\$V_{OUT}\rightarrow-\infty\$


(Here's where I don't agree with explanations anymore)

A fraction of this is sent back through \$R_F\$, meaning that \$V_{DIFF}\rightarrow 0\$ with time.

I just don't get this, if I were to use numbers to explain why I'm confused, suppose that \$V_{DIFF} = 0.1\,v\$ initially, and then \$V_{OUT}=-10\,000\,v\$. If a fraction of this is sent back, say \$0.1\%\$. Then the voltage \$V_{DIFF}=0.1+0.001\cdot V_{OUT}=-9.9\,V\$

And it continues to spiral out of control. How does it really work? Why does \$V_{DIFF}\rightarrow 0\$?

Best Answer

suppose that \$V_{DIFF} = 0.1\,v\$ initially, and then \$V_{OUT}=-10\,000\,v\$. If a fraction of this is sent back, say \$0.1\%\$.

The "fraction" that is sent back is not really a voltage, it's a current.

If \$V_{OUT}\$ is -10,000 V, then there must flow through \$R_F\$ a current of \$\frac{10^4}{R_F}\mathrm{A}\$. Since the input impedance of the op-amp is very high (infinite in the ideal case), the resulting feedback voltage at the inverting input is determined by a voltage divider between \$R_F\$ and \$R_{in}\$. So the feedback voltage is \$V_{OUT}\frac{R_{in}}{R_F+R_{in}}\$. It's likely to be much higher than the 0.1% you assumed in your example.

How to solve for the output voltage including the forward gain and feedback terms, is explained in a previous question.